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Want to go from being the engineer who builds the product to being the product manager who makes decisions around the product? Nate Stewart, VP of Product at Cockroach Labs, has done it. In this episode, Nate talks to Jonathan about his experience breaking into product management, leading product organizations and shares his tips how to get to the top as a product leader.

It’s one thing to decide that you want to make the switch from being the engineer who builds the product to being the product manager who makes decisions around the product. Figuring out the best way to make that career transition…that’s a whole different beast. So how do you do it? Nate Stewart, VP of Product at Cockroach Labs, walks Jonathan through his experience breaking into product management after working as an engineer at Bloomberg—and how systems thinking, communication and relationship-building skills, and a genuine passion for product management can help you succeed as a Product Management Leader (no MBA necessary).